Is anybody interested in starting a community driven "organization" to:
1. Teach about the card games
2. Provide Deck Help and other useful things
3. Bring news about the games
4. Provide Leagues to play in
5. to promote Lackey and its awesomeness
I am willing to orchestrate this if a few people are willing to participate in its construction.
Any questions? Any suggestions on what it should be called?
That idea does sound good, I think some people on here like Bob the builder have been trying to do something like that but an actual webpage we can put on the front page with links about what lackey offers games wise, how to play each game, articles on how to deck build, and different said leagues would be pretty cool.
I think it should actually be in conjuction with the final product of Lackey.
This would end up being a small part of it, but I would love to see a whole section dedicated to explaining how to draft Magic using Lackey in conjunction with other sites. If people knew that service was available, some of them might flock over from MTGO and other inferior programs once they try the interface and realize it is completely free.
Quote from: salmonofdoubt on June 02, 2011, 10:03:08 PM
This would end up being a small part of it, but I would love to see a whole section dedicated to explaining how to draft Magic using Lackey in conjunction with other sites. If people knew that service was available, some of them might flock over from MTGO and other inferior programs once they try the interface and realize it is completely free.
People Draft MTGO because they do not have to do a lot of the work on they're own and they can earn a decent amount of money on MTGO once they earn a decent amout of Event tickets. I am not much a Fan of MTGO because it is a huge money sink, but I would not call it inferior.
Now Cockatrice, Magic Workstation, and Apprentice I consider all those programs inferior, People play them though because they're are ways to track match results on the programs so leagues and tournies can be held there without fear of people lying about they're records.
Sorry, I didn't mean that MTGO was inferior, my grammar was a little misleading. The main draw of Lackey is that it is the best of the free alternatives to MTGO.
So I guess i have some of you interested.
The Bob thing was because he didn't take constructive criticism very well and the whole was just going ot be his idea and his idea alone.
I am pushing for a community built and driven "organization" that I would orchestrate.
I am putting myself up for The Spoils tcg (being the spoils ambassador of Dallas/Fort Worth, TX), which is quite fun.
You can suggest something and hopefully either can do it yourself or find someone that can do it.
LETS BUILD THIS TOGETHER SHALL WE
Ok.. well for one on MY youtube channel.. it was exactly that, And with the league thing, How many leagues did you see going here on Lackey..None. and if so How many leagues were offering Prize support, and just so you know, all the packs for the winners were coming out of my pocket.. And when you get everybody involved you inevitably have people who dont like what your doing, Ever hear the phrase To many chiefs, not enough indians.So give me a little credit for something
Quote from: Bob the Builder on June 03, 2011, 09:03:48 AM
Ok.. well for one on MY youtube channel.. it was exactly that, And with the league thing, How many leagues did you see going here on Lackey..None. and if so How many leagues were offering Prize support, and just so you know, all the packs for the winners were coming out of my pocket.. And when you get everybody involved you inevitably have people who dont like what your doing, Ever hear the phrase To many chiefs, not enough indians.So give me a little credit for something
Bob, you are egotistical and inconsistent. Tiny described what he envisions to be a community based website designed to do many things, including teaching Lackey users how to play certain games. If I remember correctly, you got upset in this thread (http://www.lackeyccg.com/forum/index.php?topic=1099.0) when I assumed the title of your YouTube channel, CCGUniversity, implied that you were going to teach something. You even demanded that the thread be locked in your rage. Now you're saying that your channel is "exactly" what Tiny is describing, teaching and all?
It seems to me that Tiny tried to offer you some suggestions on expanding your channel, just as I did, and you reacted harshly. If you want complete creative control of something, you also have to be responsible for any criticism it might get. If my observations are representative of other Magic players on Lackey, which I think they are, then your channel is going to have a hard time obtaining an audience as it exists now. As I said before, you need to uphold some standards of quality for play and commentary.
Finally, your use of the idiomatic phrase "too many Chiefs, not enough Indians" is incorrect. It is used to describe a situation in which there are too many managers without enough menial workers, generally referring to class divisions in the United States (unless you are implying that people who are helping you, like Tiny, should be treated as menial laborers). Having a community work together, share thoughts, and develop content is not the same thing as having too many managers, because everyone is also doing the menial work in addition to contributing ideas. It seems like you want to be dictator of your YouTube channel right down to getting rid of all dissenters. As history has shown us, that is not a healthy way to create a society or to accomplish most projects.
I will give you credit for personally bribing people with prizes to play in your leagues, though.
Ok Mr Salmon sir.Punk ass motherfucker. You really got me pegged dont you , you little bitch. So you THINK people are going to be all hyped to play in a league for nothing.. MTGO has prize support, so lets not EVEN get into the BRIBERY thing. And like i said the name of my channel could have been Cookies and Milk for all you know, i dont give a FLYING FUCK, what you or ANYONE else, here thinks.. Yea, im probably going to get banned.. But you know what, when i do, im going to do MY DAMNDEST, to destroy Lackey. So fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you.. Im out
Quote from: Bob the Builder on June 03, 2011, 09:41:51 AM
Ok Mr Salmon sir.Punk ass motherfucker. You really got me pegged dont you , you little bitch. So you THINK people are going to be all hyped to play in a league for nothing.. MTGO has prize support, so lets not EVEN get into the BRIBERY thing. And like i said the name of my channel could have been Cookies and Milk for all you know, i dont give a FLYING FUCK, what you or ANYONE else, here thinks.. Yea, im probably going to get banned.. But you know what, when i do, im going to do MY DAMNDEST, to destroy Lackey. So fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you.. Im out
Holy cow, calm down. I apologize for my use of sarcasm regarding the bribery, that was going too far. However, I stand by the rest of my statements; if you don't care what anyone thinks about your channel, who are you making it for? Yourself?
I really hope you aren't serious about destroying Lackey just because someone offered you suggestions for improvement. That would be absurd.
Don't bother trying to reason with him. Best thing you can do is just ignore him. He clearly can't see past his own nose. If he would just listen to people he would have more than just 7 subscribers and 438 total chan views. What's really funny is that he once called me a "sad individual" in a private msg (still have the msg saved so I do have proof) and this is how he's acting. How am I or anyone else spouse to take him seriously? I think this thread will be locked by the end of the day.
As for the OP, those are good ideas and website will really help you out. I know I would like to learn to play more than just MTG. Good luck to ya.
:o Whoa, ok, Lets get off the "Bob Thing" now, its over and done with.
If this thread gets locked I will start a new one. Ok, so we have the vision, check.
Now we need; a name, and who will be doing what?
As for prize support, this may come at a later time as will the actual league play.
Any takers on any projects? Any suggestions on names?
I'd be up for teaching people how to play M:tG and how to draft using the various websites. I'd also be willing to set up and maintain tourney activities, records, etc., although I will not be able to offer any help towards prizes.
Alright Banksy, Thank you. As for prize support I am currently looking for a job just to pull in some extra "play cash" and I might be able to do it when we actually start playing. Also when I get the site up and running for this thing I will put a donation box up to go towards prize support.
What we would need is someone to write an article on Etiquette on lackey. Some people are so impatient on lackey and if they have to wait longer than 2 seconds for they're opponent to make a move, they start typing Go ahead, go ahead. I am a fast player, but that is extremely annoying.
What kind of articles can we write about on the weekly
Obviously articles about different games
Obviously articles about how to play certain decks
Articles teaching about the basic use of Lackey and how to customize.
The lists are endless.
yes the list is endless ;D but that is a good thing. "Online Play Etiquette" would be a great article or series of articles. Basically Xover I am just trying to see who wants to do what? My main "job" for this is to orchestrate and "manage" this project. If you have an idea for something the best thing would be to "make" that "piece" of this project yourself. With every one helping this could be the best thing in TCGs on the web, lol then we could turn it into our careers, but that is just a possible dream. Lets just focus on having fun and making this project happen.
Alright guys we still need a name. Also any suggestions on where we could build the website for free?
WE CAN DO THIS!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
I know we have an ignore button but I still think there should be a list of say unfriendly players on lack. It would serve as a warning to all others that they may be in for a bad time playing with player X.
Quote from: TheBuck on June 04, 2011, 06:17:15 AM
I know we have an ignore button but I still think there should be a list of say unfriendly players on lack. It would serve as a warning to all others that they may be in for a bad time playing with player X.
I disagree. Just as Trevor was explaining in the last thread, everyone will have a different reason for disliking a certain player, and everyone may not agree. At what point does a player get put on the "black list?" How can we know if a witness to bad behavior is telling the truth, and not just being vindictive? What if a player legitimately changes their attitude after a while, and they don't know how to get taken off the black list? Basically, the ignore button should be sufficient to keep players everyone dislikes from joining their games. Additionally, I saw that Trevor is developing a feature that allows people to rate other players, which will be a much more accurate way of informing people about how many bad experiences that player caused.
I think ya'll posted on the wrong thread ???
Sorry salmonofdoubt but i think both you and Trevor are wrong on this one. And I'm not talking about a black list. I'm talking about a warning list. A list where people can go and see what others think of other players.It doesn't have to be detailed it could just have the names of players and others should watch out for. It should be updated weekly. I know for one I would love a list like that so I wouldn't be wasting my time playing with someone who could very well be a dick. Also it could be the kick the pants that players need. If they know they would be put on point it may make them think twice before they dick around to me.
These posts are still in the wrong thread.
??? oooook come one guys no matter how bad some people are there shouldnt be a "black list" that just aint right. im with trevor if you have a problems with some body then ignore them and tell friends. now lets get back to building this
There is nothing wrong with a player rating system kind of how Yelp works. If the player is super cool to play with higher rating, and people can leave feedback. They're is ways to filter out bias reviews and ratings. I am completely for something like that because I hardly play against the same person twice, but one time playing with an ass hat is enough. I think Trevor was talking about something like this is in the final version of lackey.
Or we can do like Conley woods, video tape a Draft match against a complete and utter douche on Magic the Gathering Online, repeat what the dude said, then broadcast his name over a site that gets tons, and tons of hits online, so everybody and they're mama's knows about so they can be prepared for the idiocy that gets sputtered from the dude's mouth.
alright if some one can come up with a non-bias rating system this would be fine. any takers on developing this? would be awesome to put one the site. at least to show the great player to play with
Quote from: cap.tiny on June 05, 2011, 02:13:09 AM
alright if some one can come up with a non-bias rating system this would be fine. any takers on developing this? would be awesome to put one the site. at least to show the great player to play with
In any case, having a list of "Polite Players" or something would be much more constructive than having a list of obnoxious players. Not only would it encourage people to be nicer in order to get on the list, but it would be positive exclusion instead of publicly humiliating players who may have had a bad day. I still like the idea of waiting for Trevor to update Lackey with the player rating system better than having a list on this website, especially because we would need to develop some criteria for getting on said list which someone would need to be in charge of.
alright whats next guys? any pokemon players here? yugioh? wow? etc.? need volunteers for the other games as well
just love how you guys cant even get your shit on topic..to fucking funny if you ask me
Bob please, you are someone good to play with and respectful during a game but do you really have to troll this thread? Like any great idea and organization there must alot of brainstorming before the actual organizing. If something is built quickly it will fall quickly. Wouldn't want to fly in a plane before the engine gets built would ya?
I think its coming along great.
Most of it is actually on topic, "things to have in the organization"
cap.tiny, I would recommend having an IRC chat with people who would be dedicated to helping you with this. Ask what times people would be available, and then you can have a list of topics to cover in real time. Take notes, and post the results of the conversation here. As it is, the discussion is too slow over a series of forum posts, and realistically you won't be able to get people to commit to things.
translation.. lackey is to fucking lame, and the people on it to scatter brained to get anything resembling cooperation on a common goal..
Even though people don't agree with my idea it's still on topic because cap wants to (or at least is thinking about) a building a community so even the warning list is on topic. It's just not a topic cap and others want to really deal. Other than Bob chiming in in a trollish manner I feel everything else has been on topic.
Cap, here are the game I play:
Mtg (I'm prob not the best person to help others in this game)
VS (was my fav ccg when it was out and I still enjoy it a lot)
Shadowfist (played this all the damn time on G*engine and is prob my 2nd/3rd fav ccg)
DoomTrooper (played by a lot of modified rules but let me tell you all the main rules are so much better;this is and shadowfist are interchangeable for me)
I'd be willing to help people out with those at night (i'm a night person [EST])
Good idea salmon. yes a IRC would be a good idea.
XoVer
salmonofdoubt
Banksy
TheBuck
please send me in a PM your days and times via Central time and IM servers you have (aim,yahoo,msn,etc.), so I can set a brainstorm meeting for us.
we will discuss all ideas and such for this.
If anybody else reads this feel free to PM me too with the same info
Quote from: Bob the Builder on June 05, 2011, 04:14:48 PM
translation.. lackey is to fucking lame, and the people on it to scatter brained to get anything resembling cooperation on a common goal..
Watch your tone, Bob. This is a warning. If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't make a post.
The word you're looking for was "too" by the way.
Piss off ASSHOLE
Quote from: Trevor on June 05, 2011, 08:06:33 PM
Quote from: Bob the Builder on June 05, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
Piss off ASSHOLE
Banned.
That came on all the sudden. I never knew bob was so touchy about his CCGUniversity thing.
But cap I will send you my info through pm.
he was cool til he went psyco..
alright thank you guys keep those times coming.. im sure i can schedule something
ok i have TheBuck, heynow and XerVor... just waiting on the others
Did Banksy fall of the earth?... BANKSY!! oh BANSKY!!! quack quack...(did any body get that reference?) well it looks like we will be using AIM as the messanger and so far 6/16/2011 thursday will be the day and we could start about 8 pm central if you want.... heynow you can log into AIM using your facebook so no new account creation needed. anybody have a problem with the date and time? we can also keep the forum going to come up with more stuff to discuss during the meeting.
im sorry to say but bob the builder had a point. people do not play a league game solely for rating, that system has to matter
if your playing for prizes or something, it gives impetus to be better beyond merely "because i want to". because people will just look at the rating or whatever theyre given and just shrug and ask why they should care, its just a number given and is ultimately meaningless
you have to make the games matter in SOME way. either by giving away actual prizes, new avatars, coloured fonts, unlocking some forum rank (the preceding needing trevor to agree) or have the people who participate be really competitive amongst each other. the dci rating works, even with low level games and prizes because it makes it feel like something is on the line, even the respect of your peers. are you willing to give it your all to win a league match against someone else? are you really? if not, just how seriously WILL you be taking it?
he had a point, even if he was a jerk about it.
also, i would be in if you didnt use aim. i dont feel comfortable using a private chat interface, if you could maybe find a free chat room? im pretty sure those exist - i remember one existing for lackey although it seems removed now
Quote from: Ripplez on June 08, 2011, 04:27:07 PM
im sorry to say but bob the builder had a point. people do not play a league game solely for rating, that system has to matter
if your playing for prizes or something, it gives impetus to be better beyond merely "because i want to". because people will just look at the rating or whatever theyre given and just shrug and ask why they should care, its just a number given and is ultimately meaningless
you have to make the games matter in SOME way. either by giving away actual prizes, new avatars, coloured fonts, unlocking some forum rank (the preceding needing trevor to agree) or have the people who participate be really competitive amongst each other. the dci rating works, even with low level games and prizes because it makes it feel like something is on the line, even the respect of your peers. are you willing to give it your all to win a league match against someone else? are you really? if not, just how seriously WILL you be taking it?
he had a point, even if he was a jerk about it.
also, i would be in if you didnt use aim. i dont feel comfortable using a private chat interface, if you could maybe find a free chat room? im pretty sure those exist - i remember one existing for lackey although it seems removed now
I can't imagine anyone would play in a league game (even if prizes were involved) unless they were extremely competitive and enjoyed the process of gradually increasing their standing in comparison to their peers. Those same people will probably be serious enough to keep playing in league games even without real prizes on the line, because the core of the matter is gaining bragging rights among the community. If you're not interested in any of that, why would you bother playing in a league at all, especially when there is very little on the line? People have all kinds of different motivations, and I don't think you can speak for all of them.
Quote4. Provide Leagues to play in
im sorry i think i have confused this part. does this mean leagues as in just a community of people, like clans and stuff? or does it mean like a group of people with rankings for them based on their performance? i thought this was about the second. if not, sorry
We can try to find a free chat room if need be, any suggestions?
It can not be said right now exactly what the leagues will bring to players, especially at first. That's why we are having these discussions. When finally get everything worked out and set in motion, which might take a while of careful planning, who knows what the leagues can offer? When we get the site(s) up and maybe some ad support, to help with the prizes, we can see what we can do. It may be a entry fee type thing, or completely ad supported, or someone may donate, or something different. We just don't know right know. I can't be the only one who likes playing in leagues for fun (and bragging rights to the rest of the league, lol).
any suggestions on a free/no registration chat room? if not i will just pop up on aim on the 16th
http://www.chatzy.com/
Haven't tried this myself but it seems good. Private chat rooms you can create and invite by e-mail only.
If I have some time on Thursday I'll try to come chat with you guys, not sure how much I'll be able to help though, I barely have time to read through threads on here.
Also, kudos for staying on topic through all of that, and not trying to rush this thing into being. I think those two factors are what have hindered every other league/community idea that has sprung up on this forum.
Looks perfect Cyrus. Thanx
well guys i am still up for thursday 6/16/2011 8 pm central time... anybody have any problems with that? later? earlier?
Works for me.
alright guys i have created a room on chatzy i will sit in the room any time i am on the comp (which is allot) http://www.chatzy.com/417861856400
and the password is boyscout
i am in the chat now
well the chat didnt work like i hoped... :-\
Quote from: cap.tiny on June 18, 2011, 10:44:42 AM
well the chat didnt work like i hoped... :-\
Sorry, I kind of forgot about it!
how about a weekly meeting of thursdays at 8 pm central time?
Hi guys,
This all sounds like an excellent way to promote the wondrous resource for magic players that is lackey. I read through the comments and I'd like to help out on teaching people how to draft using Lackey. I am a passionate limited player but I feel that people are often perturbed by the complex rules and efforts that they perceive go into drafting. Drafting I have found is easy provided you can find the people who want to do it, but the problems lie in the time it can take to get it started, especially when doing a four man draft, and also the player skill which is usually fairly poor.
So can I join guys!!?!?
I would love for you to help if all the others didn't just drop the idea..... :-[
Quote from: cap.tiny on June 26, 2011, 10:51:35 PM
I would love for you to help if all the others didn't just drop the idea..... :-[
I know I didn't show up for the chat, but I did warn you that I wouldn't have the time to actually generate content. I can only really help advise your ideas. You need to get a couple people (looks like emeralds is interested) to devote some real time to this and force them to commit to a schedule. That means getting email addresses and reminding people to show up.
Told ya I wouldnt be around much but I would still "consult"
Dont give up so easily;I'm sure there are people who will always be around and its those that you want.
oh hey ... ya'll just stopped chatting on here too so i just assumed that ya'll just dropped the idea.... should we continue?
Quote from: cap.tiny on June 28, 2011, 04:48:14 PM
oh hey ... ya'll just stopped chatting on here too so i just assumed that ya'll just dropped the idea.... should we continue?
I mean, it's up to you. Although the goal is to make this a community run website, you need to take initiative to get it up and running. Once people see what you've accomplished they are more likely to contribute. If you really want to do this, you're going to have to put some work into it.
For me there just hasn't been anything to talk about. Just keep pressing on and people will follow.
alright then, at the moment i have alot on my plate but hopefully here in a couple of weeks i will restart the whole project...